The First Online Mashup Music Festival

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1. http://turntable.fm/mashupfmUS only? The music industry strikes again! Come on Spotify, start a rival service.

   1. As we always do when Turntable.fm appears in this blog, we, the international users, complain!

      1. The internal empire strikes again!

      2. I’m in Australia and listening to turntable.fm right now.www.unblock-us.comAll you need to do is change your DNS settings and you can get Hulu, Netflix, Pandora, Spotify, Turntable.fm – everything :)$50 a year – the recording industry cannot fight a DNS change!!! They are eventually going to have to globalise licensing if its this easy to get US content outside of the US.They have a free trial too. No more complaining 🙂

         1. Thanks! I’ll try that one. I have used a number of services to do similar things in the past, but most were too clunky or slow, at least from Spain, but this one looks very promising.

   2. we are going to fix that soon.

2. Every time you mention Turntable I dutifully click the link:Something, something, license. Swear a little lot.Fire up the VPN.These tunes are rockin’!Th…e…s.e tun……es. a…..re roc..ki..in’!Fine. I won’t discover a bunch of new stuff to buy. With money. Instead I’ll just put Hounds of Love on for the um…. 50 billionth time.–Screw those ignorant bastards (The big four three, that is).

   1. some really good news on this front is coming in a month or two

      1. In a month I’ll be in PA attempting to drink my body weight in Yuengling. There’s better news?! 😉

         1. Um, mostly lucky (not a Yuengling fan)

            1. Gin & Tonic for you then.

            2. Switch it out for a martini, some scotch, or a different kind of beer and I am in!

         2. I love a Yuengling… has flavor, yet light enough to drink your body weight in.  It’s my “go to” brew in Alabama whether in the grocery store, restaurant, or pub, although its out of Penn.

      2. You mean Christmas is finally coming to all of us?! Yay rejoice /o/

      3. Yay!

         1. You’re in the US. We should be cheering from the outside YooHoo !

            1. It’s called solidarity, dude.

            2. Much appreciated.

      4. I really hope this good news extends to Canada.

   2. You can always try 8tracks too, not the same concept as turntable, but some great great mixes there!

      1. Thanks.

   3. You make me feel bad that licensing isn’t universal

      1. WHOLE POINT OF HAVE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES IS HAVE DIFFERENT RULES.

         1. I thought countries were self emerging systems, grown organically. Except US, founded on ideas.

         2. I think that is silly.  Why?  I’m mobile.  It would be a lot easier to have world rules than country by country rules)(Note: I also hate this about the states thing in the US. I’m ready to move on)

      2. Little known fact: We’re born with golden ears down here. Or at least I’m pretty sure that’s why a song on iTunes costs $1.69 and not 99 cents.

3. Since Cam has represented us international folk, I’ll go ahead and share the quote of the day – ‘Where you see pain, I see learning.’Good day folks!

   1. But the saying also goes ‘No pain, no gain’.  So, even if you see pain, there can be a learning ;-)Stay dry!

      1. Haha. I think we’re saying the same thing.  😉

4. If you are Apple and the user starts doing something you never imagined, you know you have a bug that you need to issue a fix for.

   1. ha!that is so true

   2. this is my least favorite thing about apple… it has gotten so bad I have had to draw the line and not upgrade past snow leopard.. I can imagine still having it on my system years later like I still have XP on my Windows box…I can not continue in the apple direction… It increasingly makes me feel locked in to a proprietary system that seems to be rapidly diverging from how *I* want my workflow to function.. namean?*MY* future is a variety of services (dropbox, disqus, etc etc etc) that interoperate.. iCloud makes me feel like a prisoner… no thank you

      1. I’ve never been an Apple fan. I owned an iPhone because for a while it was the best smart phone out there by a long shot, so I was prepared to put up with the prison walls.  I’m on Android now and loving it.

5. A day that will live in infamy. Why don’t you ask them to allow sign ups with Twitter instead of just Facebook? There are still a few of us who don’t use Facebook.

   1. you missed my retweet about that earlier this weekhttps://twitter.com/#!/turn…

      1. I guess I did. But the link you included in this post shows only a Facebook log in: http://turntable.fm/mashupfmEdit: OK, if you click on the Turntable rectangle, you see the Twitter long in option on the next screen.

         1. oohthey need to fix thatthanks for pointing that out

            1. NP. The House/Electro remix of Pink Floyd’s Time is something… different.

      2. That’s a good move.  If you had not endorsed it so heavily the FB sign-in would have been an obstacle.  Wonder if I can now change my sign-in?  I am on FB, but I don’t want them to have reason to even THINK they own my social graph.

   2. What about those of us with neither Fbook or Twitter??Hard to believe we exist, but we do.

      1. Why not FB or Twitter- What are you on? Where do you live 🙂

         1. I am on nothing. I was badly stalked years ago and have not entered the ‘me as brand’ era of self promotion. Possibly also because I find myself so bombarded living in NYC with everyone pimping themselves. Taking people at their estimation of themselves is quite tiring.I have several websites, and just making those was hard. It took support from my coach. I am a back roomer for the most part, even though I really enjoy meeting people and going out (i.e. I enjoyed immensely the AVC evening). Supposedly I am a great front person, but that comes from my intense passion and drive, not ego.

            1. You can always create a Twitter account just for signing in where you need it. No need to follow, read or spend any time there.

            2. I guess I could create a twitter account. But why, if I wouldn’t use it? Just for log ins?

            3. @panterosa:disqus Yeah, consider it a tool. Instead of introducing your data in every service you want to use, you can introduce them in Twitter and use it where this sign in method is available. Kindda OpenID, but commercial.

            4. You and Grimlock and a few others are in the pseudo-identity camp. Nothing wrong with that. To each their own approach.

            5. Yes. I haven’t sorted out how I want to manage that in terms of pontificating/tweeting/blogging etc. I like my anonymity and somehow that is tied to the exposure dial.

            6. Follow Grimlock’s path. Nobody knows anything about him.

6. What a lineup! 3LAU, Trademark, DiBella and Bahler? maaaaaan this is going to be epic!

7. It sounds like a great event, but since every time Turntable.fm is mentioned, the issue of international access comes up, how does a website make it itself unavailable outside of the US? Is there an ISP blacklist it goes on? Who controls that? It’s scary to think about this on / off switching of information done at the country levels.Why not apply these techniques to block all terrorism & extremism propaganda sites instead which can cause a lot more harm than unliscensed music.

   1. I guess it’s all about territorial jurisdictions and IP rights and distribution agreements. The website itself is probably blocking access to comply with its IP agreements, and not ISPs elsewhere intervening to spoil the gig.

   2. There are location masking apps …..

      1. I tried one temporarily, but for some reason I prefer to avoid them and wait for the proper way of accessing it.

8. It’s awesome to watch post-production artists get recognition and benefit from their talent and passion.  Another example of how the tubes are empowering the individual!  Love it.

9. Wasn’t expecting the tunes in the DJ room – fresh, original, and innovative – I dig.  I should listen to this room more in the morning, as well as turning it on at parties.  If I owned a bar, TurntableFM – that room – would be coming on at like 10pm until 2am every night.

   1. turntable is awesome at parties

10. Once again the copyright holders want to turn us into criminals:-We’re very sorry, but while we would love to let you in and rock out with us, we need to currently restrict turntable access to only the United States due to licensing constraints. We are working very hard to try and get you in as soon as possible. If you believe this is a mistake and you are located in the United States, please e-mail help [at sign] turntable dot fm Again, sorry, and we hope to see you soon. Billy ChasenCEO

    1. this is going to get fixed and soon

11. What exactly makes something a mashup as opposed to a wholy new creation?

    1. Sampling of two or more songs happening at once.  The line sometimes gets blurry, but the legal definition is if you can “recognize it” as coming from somewhere else.There’s a lot of controversy surrounding the practice itself cause it bucks copyright laws and the record industry usually isn’t too happy about that — but hip-hop wouldn’t have become a style without it.Funny how it’s been going on for so long at this point, but the industry still hasn’t managed to adapt.

       1. See my post below on EBN, or Emergency Broadcast Network. Their record label was half run by a lawyer for this very reason. They sampled so many things that it was constant battle for which clips/tracks they could use.I wonder what GirlTalk did about that.

          1. He gave his album away for free.  No money coming in, no money to sue for.@ShanaC:disqus  Check out http://www.alldaysamples.com and press play.It lists the songs as the album “All Day” by Girl Talk plays.

             1. The general rule of thumb is the same in music as with business — nobody really cares until you start making money.

             2. Ive heard Girl Talk before.  I just didn’t realize that is what we consider a sample…

          2. Hah, that’s clever — well my knowledge of pop culture is very limited, but at first glance I don’t hear too much egregious “violations” there.  I mean, you can’t “own” fragments of things, just like nobody can patent the word “and” or “the”.String enough sentences together and at some point music becomes “ownable”.  It’s kind of an absurd system that’s based on largely arbitrary definitions, but that’s what we have right now.

12. This looks like a really fun event.I am super spoiled by having been really close to EBN as they became video mashers and performers, and continued those friendships until now. One of the EBN alums made the BabyGrandmaster video mixer, another did youtube doubler, another works with Eclectic method, another DJ’s, another edits video. While there are a lot of visuals in with the music mashing, that’s the way music has become. Getting links from these guys is always awesome.I was shown The Juice Media last night by on of that group. Very cool. http://www.youtube.com/watc…

13. Unfortunately, I’ve been missing out on all the Turntable fun since it’s not available outside the USA. 🙁

    1. soon john

14. Correction on time.  It’s actually 8-11pm.  Here is the FB event link for more info:  https://www.facebook.com/ev…

    1. yeah, i fixed thatsorry about getting it wrong initially

15. I’m a classical music composer turned entrepreneur — I occasionally hear stories of operas and orchestras trying to “modernize” their music by adding video projections and using social media (wow) and such, but then I hear stuff like this and I realize how far behind we are to what’s happening in the tech sector.  I’m afraid that our orchestras have become metaphors for the corporate inefficiencies in the business world — it can’t survive without life support.I think I might attend just to see what people are listening to nowadays.  The cultural gap is pretty huge right now, I’d say.

    1. The other day listening to Andrea Bocelli’s “Concerto: One Night in Central Park” with the New York Philharmonic, I thought it may be time to visit some of the classical/opera rooms on Turntable. I think it could be fun going back and forth between these types of rooms and the Indie rooms.  I try to do turntable as a backdrop to any work that does not require intense concentration. If you want a cultural education from a music perspective, Turntable is a good bet.  So many options all in one place and the fact that it is user generated makes it even more revealing.  Personally, I’d prefer that classical not go techno.  There has to be a better way for orchestras to thrive economically. Edit: album title

       1. Classical music has a history of surviving through patronage, which is just a different type of customer-base, if you want to look at it that way.  For a long time it had the support of politicians and intellectuals who believed in the style as an art form — the problem is that that support has been dwindling as of the late and I don’t get the sense that younger musicians really understand what direction things need to go in order for it to survive in the 21st century.Right now it’s in a position where it’s neither politically nor commercially viable, and the old folks who have been supporting it for so long are now dying out.  On the other hand, this is going to give it the kick in ass that it finally needs.Well I’ve been making sort of quasi-electronic music lately so it looks like Turntable is a great place where I might be able to test some audience responses.  It’ll be my form of “customer development”.  I liked the Steve Blank article comparing founders to composers, because I really do think the similarities between the two are pretty striking.

          1. I know that some things must die. I just don’t think that classical music is one of them. I hope not!I have a friend who is a brilliant violinist with a long family history in classical music (his mom was a relatively successful opera singer), but he’s done an alternative/pop album that I’ve been playing on Turntable.fm with fairly good response. TT would be a great venue to try your music — but I hope you have thick skin depending on what room you’re in — the feedback is pretty immediate. When an artist plays his/her own music on TT, I try to pick it up and replay it when I’m DJing — if I like it. ;)Good luck!

             1. Yeah I don’t think it’s going to die — it has a strong framework that’s worth preserving, imo.  But right now it needs that “get out of the building” mindset in order for it to stay relevant.  In a decade or two it’s going to look…just really different.Maybe you could tell, but I’m also an academic, so thick skins are my thing.  Gonna try to find a room that my stuff might fit, but no harm in giving it a shot, I think. 

             2. I don’t think classical will die out.  We hear it all the time, in movies, in television shows.  We just don’t buy concert tickets, we think it is a stuffy event for going out.

    2. Tumblr is also a good bet if you can find what people are posting.How do you feel about what Nico Muhly is doing with ‘Two Boys’ in the context of “classical must modernize”Truthfully I think the ticket prices and structure of how to listen is the ridiculous parts.  In new york, Le Poisson Rouge regularly sells out recitals.  Which are in a basement nightclub.  And the tickets are cheaper than the cheap seats at Lincoln Center.Maybe we need to develop more modern chamber?  And play it in nightclubs Jazz style

       1. I’m sort of involved with that type of movement happening among younger classical musicians right now — some of my friends are in a group called “Wild Up”, where they recently did a show where it was a mix of classical and punk rock covers and got pretty good reviews from the Times.  This was in LA, though — Muhly (and Judd Greenstein, whom you should know because he’s really the mastermind behind the group) is part of the New York “Downtown” scene, where people like Philip Glass and Steve Reich made a name for themselves.  But there is a desire for the more progressive musicians to want to make the medium more “open” to the public as a whole, I think.  Whether it works or not is yet to be seen…I know that these concerts tend to sell out but the door prices aren’t enough to cover the musicians’ costs as of yet, which is the real problem.Personally I’m interested in reviving improvisation into the classical world so I’m a little bit off tangent to what’s happening in those areas.  Without going into too much of the details, what classical music has to offer to the world is that it’s structures are “objective oriented”, meaning that if done right, you can make the music “get” from one place to another in a logical and continuous manner.  If you can combine this with the spontaneity of improv, then you’ll have the best of both worlds.Part of the reason why I started going to entrepreneurial meetings is because I think that there’s a strong connection between improv and the startup process (managing chaos, going into the “unknown”, being adaptable, etc.) so I’m trying to create a bridge between the two fields at the moment.  There’s lots of potential for cross-disciplinary things in this manner, especially in regard to education.

          1. Your insight about the connection between improv and startups is really interesting, Ryan, and I’ve appreciated your comments — very enlightening.  Music comes up quite a bit at AVC, as you may have noticed.  So hopefully more insight from you forthcoming.I just followed you on Twitter — feel free to ping me if Wild Up does any more shows (I’m in the Los Angeles area) and would love to hear your music if you have it posted online anywhere.  Do you know about SoundCloud?

             1. Sure, thanks for the comments — they already do improv workshops for corporate employees to try to get them to “loosen up” a bit, but my opinion is that it can be taken a step further by strengthening its connections, since people primarily learn through metaphorical devices. Anyway, here’s the link to “Wild Up”, I would definitely recommend it if you’re in the LA area: http://wildup.laMost of my music can be found on my website here: ryangtanaka.com.  But my startup project is OK Music, here: okmusic.me.I’m doing my doctorate right now so I’m technically out of the market so to speak, but I have the next few years to build a super team of musicians (I already have a few) and business people so I’ve been taking a lot of risks as of the late.  In the mean time I’ve been using my personal works to experiment with marketing strategies.As long as you can keep a positive attitude, it’s very exciting times for music right now.  Looking forward to what’s about to happen.

          2. I’ve heard a lot about the movement to re-introduce improv into classical.  And I am curious to here more of the NYC downtown scene, including the non-muhly types – where do I go listen to that live?  Where are they playing?  I’d like to experience this for myself.(and this is the first time I have heard of Judd Greenstien – thank you for that)

             1. The downtown scene is kind of a mish-mash of things — might want to check out the wiki article to get an idea of what’s been going on there.  Historians are still trying to figure out what exactly happened.  (Including me.)http://en.wikipedia.org/wik…Sorry, I’m LA-based so I don’t know what’s going on in NYC, but you might follow Muhly or Greenstein’s twitter feed and they could have a few suggestions of where they’re hanging out.  They’re on there pretty much everyday.

16. i’ve not heard of any of these DJs.

17. Turntable is a cool service but one thing they are missing is a hook to drive users back (beyond coolness).I signed up right after you invested and have yet to get an email or have it show up in my Facebook feed. I have to remember to come back.

    1. I have if you fan someone.  

       1. That’s cool.I find that whole structure of keeping users engaged fascinating. It’s tougher for “optional” activities because I actually don’t want to get emails from something like a music service. I’d rather they find a way to draw me back in by showing up in my Facebook or Twitter feeds.

18. Thanks for the shout-out Fred. If anyone has any questions about the event, just pop into the main mashup room (turntable.fm/mashupfm) and ask, whilst being serenaded with great tunes. Myself and the other friendly mods would be happy to tell you more. Keep an eye out here for more info: https://www.facebook.com/ev…-Scott

19. Online Music Festival — love it!  Too bad I’m traveling that day and will miss history being made.Ha — logged on briefly this morning/last night and saw that you had bailed on the Indie While You Work Room (yep, I fanned you) and were in the mashup.fm room.  But knew if I went into a new room, I’d get a second wind rather than wind down.  Now that I’m listening in the mashup.fm room I see this would have definitely been the case.  Really crazy-fun!  Puts a new spin on creativity. Hard to log off, but not conducive to the type of work I need to get done today…and a long time before I work up to DJing there!  Fred, you are helping to keep us young!

    1. We are young.In that we are child-like, not childish!And yes, I don’t let you get away with much, do I?Hahaha:D

       1. Who you talkin’ to, Rohan?

          1. Hahaha

20. I used to like Turntable, but it’s slow and very niche. I think the novelty is over.Sorry.

    1. they have just begun to iterate on the product. lots of great stuff coming.

21. I don’t understand people who don’t like mashup music! Hypem has been my professor. 

22. I think they have nailed social discovery of music better than any other service out right now.Great timing of my Post today Profiling Fred and how the guys from Turntable sought him out specifically to work with “Why Everyone Should Want Fred Wilson On Their Side”http://lukehristou.com/post…Would love for you guys to check it out and support Fred with feedback and comments, who through his genuine personality and expression has been very inspirational to me!

    1. Sorry about your post dissapearing, you got caught in the spam filter. This has been fixed!

       1. And I guess it posted 3 times, yikes sorry about that

          1. I made sure that didn’t happen.  We’ve been under a spam attach, that may be why it got caught.

    2. hi luke. i left you a comment on your post

       1. Fred,Thank you so much for the read, and the reply! I left you a comment back.Luke H.

23. With all I read about turntable, it’s a source of much frustration that us poor brits can’t access it in the UK!  Any news on when that might change?  

    1. sooner than you might think

24. Great, sounds like a lot of fun!! I really have to meet Turntable guys one day, so many things I want to ask them with a perspective of what I am working on 😉

25. At last a country where sanity prevails regarding music & copyright http://torrentfreak.com/swi…

26. it is interesting

27. can’t wait

28. Bethlehem – home town of she who must be obeyed.

29. Welcome to the States, Cam.  Or “stites” as you would say down under.

30. @ccrystle:disqus  Just Christmas with the outlaws, but I’m starting to feel the squeeze re longer term.

31. @donnawhite:disqus Thanks! You should design a remedial training course for the TSA 🙂