Looking fwd to rolling our own. Twitter ditching “social network” and moving into empowerment of users as their own media companies is so bullish.
How can you roll your own?I heard about the Ad revenue share video producers.
Coming
Coming from them? Can you elaborate?
“Empowerment of users” is another way to say “free to choose”. I find that when companies use principles an academic like Ronald Coase or Milton Friedman articulated they tend to do very well.
Uber drivers going on or off the clock with the completely voluntary push of a button.
That’s one of the best examples, and there are so many more.
I wonder how many people Uber takes out of the workforce [1] by allow them to just scrape by with extra money earned by driving. It’s kind of a ‘less than golden’ handcuff the way I see it.[1] Or dulls aspirations to do something more interesting, challenging or better in the long term.
interesting how Zuckerberg was at pains yesterday to stress FB was a tech co and definitely not a media one whereas TWTR seem to be quietly going in the exact opposite direction.
Not a true statement on his part.
Not quite because, strategically, they do anchor themselves in the tech rather than in the content.Zuckerberg is likely to publicly show his home AI-assistant next month:* https://techcrunch.com/2016…Twitter is a media company.
Sorry–how do they make money? Media company through and through and way better at it than anyone else in business today.They are anchored in their model and use tech brilliantly to drive it.
Sir Martin Sorrell, 2013: “I do regard Google as a media owner, yes. These are media owners masquerading as technology companies. Google sells Google, Facebook sells Facebook. Twitter sells Twitter.”However, if we compare the ongoing strategies of FB, Google and Twitter, it’s clear FB & Google have diversified and are focusing deeper into the tech.Look into all the hardware+software work they’re doing in AI with AR/VR.Compare that with Twitter’s decision to go into and then abandon eCommerce:* http://www.thedrum.com/news…So what’s left for Twitter when its AI and VR/AR tech is nowhere as strong as FB and Google’s?Pure media play.
I don’t disagree with his statements.Google and Facebook have always been media companies driven by tech and community innovation.Maybe he knows what I don’t but I don’t see that changing.i see more innovation, more extensions of the model, more invention of tech to drive it.They sell ads. Plain and simple. Nothing else about them is simple.
This was on Linkedin.
Both are media channels, yes. In my view the sticky concept associated with media company relates more with media creation and production. I am not sure if selling virtual ad space makes them media companies.
Lots of nuance here i agree.But we are how we make money and the players that change the world–truly–like FB or Twitter are reshaping behavior and culture and life as feeders to just that model.As much as I used to love Tumblr and applauded their innovation they will be forgotten because in the end they didn’t have a model. They provided capital and wealth and contributed to the evolution of UI and socialization but they are not on the same plane. In 5 years, no one but those who used them will know who they were.We shall see if that is the same for Twitter. I hope not!
I totally agree with that, you are what you sell. It is very healthy to have that clear personally and as a company. I do system and software development, but what I mainly sell are consultancy hours, and that makes me a consultant, which sounds less interesting.I was searching for a chart that shows code collaborations done by companies to the Linux kernel. It may be correlated with how ‘techie’ a company really is. I will continue searching for it and post it later.
.You are what you sell, how you sell it, and how you support it after the sale.Truth.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
so so the #truth in an economy that questions that.i tweeted an article on the economics of uber and lyft this am and their massive losses.some good facts in there and the question of whether ever they are a real model and if there is a justification for them regardless.
nicely said and thank you!
I agree with @SixgillBlog:disqus …if you make money from selling ad space against content, you’re a media company. Deep tech projects are an aside.
Right, I get that definition of a media company and agree with it.It’s just that Google & FB aren’t in the mould of traditional media company (e.g. Newscorp) or traditional technology company either (e.g. IBM).They’re modern hybrids.Mind you, it could be argued they’re simply complete media vertical integrations: content, publishing, platform distribution & advertising.In much the same way the newspaper barons owned the content, the print presses, the delivery vans and the editorial right of ad placement.@SixgillBlog:disqus
yup…what it means to be a media company has changed
Following the election on it.A few times daily dose of tabloid craziness.
Curious if it gets automatically customized based on my follow or tweet interests. I’m not seeing a Technology tab, and would like one.
Very true.Although honestly through my personal and professional communities I get almost all of it when it happens as do you I”m sure. It’s the more general news that I go there for.
Yup. Moments looks more like a YahooNews or GoogleNews at the moment 😉
Useful for some stuff.What it lacks to engage me fully are–more updates. Happens very infrequently and feels like a newspaper not a feed. Pulling list of blogs that I can dig deep into stuff. Most of the election stuff is from the parties pubs, HuffPro, NY Times, WSG.They can fix this and hope they do.It is getting me to check more often as Twitter is not a social net to me so things to get me engaged are smart on their part.
William Mougayar: If Twitter is the old flame you left what reason would you return? The new dress or suit? Not a compelling reason to use it. No? (Unless your long and/or Evangelist in Chief)
I use it daily, no issues there.
William Mougayar:The word on the street (Day traders) are of the view after ten years the only way for Twitter stock to rise if there is a rumor it is for sale and will be sold. The take from Twitter Board member Evan Williams giving a no comment on the question. Desperate measures for early stage investors who want to realize a profit now.Disclosure: None
Yup, I read that and tweeted they are better off having better management. But sometimes you can’t better yourself, then selling might be an option.
i think so, because the blue jays and raptors show up at the top of my sports page
& Bouchard losing 😉
It’s almost interesting. There are plenty of very good daily summaries that give you a “moments” style look at each area and some I get are far better than this. HOWEVER if I could customize this by kind of “cross pollinating” what they bring in with the people in my twitter network that I rank highest in terms of following then we might really get something unique and powerful. I don’t code anymore but this seems like it would be easy to do. Without something more I don’t think I’d visit the Twitter Moments page again.
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I’ve been using Apple News more and more for news lately. Since Moments is not in Tweetbot I do not use nor participate in Moments.
Great pic!My fav is Blazing Saddles … time to watch it again
Fred – I’ve been using it – but dismayed (but not surprised) that I perceive it to be pretty biased. You recall my experience at RCP and especially Yahoo News where I’ve seen this game before. Somehow none of the HRC stuff (which gets retweeted wildly) such as the new revelations yesterday that she had 30 Benghazi emails among the stuff she tried to delete (that were under subpoena so that’s a felony) made it to moments. But Trump’s visit to Mexico does. One of the issues here is that all these “algorithmic” news sources actually hand curate sources at a minimum. So if it is all wire services which are crazy biased themselves – the end result is biased.
.I do not trust any media outlet to provide a comprehensive, unbiased, fair view of anything.Journalism — historically double sourced, fact based, fact checked, adult edited, reportage — is dead and has been for years. Not only is it dead, venerable places like the NYT have buried it in concrete and have lined up to piss on its grave.I read both sides of the street, hoping the truth is somewhere in the middle.In some ways, the apparent bias of Twitter (they are not alone) is a sign of its arrival as a media outlet. It has taken its place in the Pantheon of similarly biased entities.Twitter, if one suggests that the volume of traffic is branded as an intellectually noteworthy “trend”, has the potential to be one of the worst.I admit to not really caring about what Snooki thinks about Trump or whether HRC has early onset Alzheimer’s per Alex Jones.[Notice how I was an equal opportunity critic? Something I like about myself. Not really.]For me, Twitter has never really been a big thing, so it can’t be a big disappointment but your observation as to its bias is exactly right.Here’s the thing about a lot of social media — it cannot fail to be biased because it is the rare person, whose hand is on the whip, who has much life experience. This is like a middle school science fair. Not going to stumble on cold fusion.As long as your expectations are set low enough, you may be pleasantly surprised. Still, it is a thing but that thing is not journalism.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Trump meeting with Mexican President tremendously impressive. I am sure he got bigger secret service warning than Kennedy in Dallas did regarding unfriend natives and potential threats. He probably just forged ahead and said “make it happen don’t pussy out so your life is easier”.This is perhaps his biggest deal ever. If he can win place or draw with that meeting it has the potential to show what he can do deal making wise even with someone he has insulted and that truly hates him. God it doesn’t get any better than this in my mind.It will be very simple. He has set initial price and threat and now just has to make the other guy come out a winner and a hero and he will end up with something that is of value to him.This is like a developer going in and proposing to build something that nobody wants in their backyard and that he doesn’t even want to build in the first place and then settling for something much less (what he wanted originally) and allowing the politician who brokered the deal to come out looking like a hero for preserving the neighborhood.
.If DJT ends up with a picture of him and the Mexican President smiling or shaking hands, it is a huuuuuuge win.This is a crucible moment. It could make or break him.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
.Further to your point, here is a blatant example of not only the bias but the CENSORSHIP and fraudulent defacement of a fact based bit of news.http://www.washingtontimes….It is symptomatic of the heavy thumb of the media on the scales of fairness and accuracy.This is CNN — it is not a fledgling social media startup (Twitter is not such an organization) being led by people in skinny jeans. This where white haired Wolf Blitzer hangs his hat.This is what is really happening in America. The media has not just chosen sides, not just slanted the news, they have FABRICATED it.Garden. Variety. Fraud.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Of course. To me just look at volume of stories – look at front page of NY Times – on Trump vs. actually digging into HRC email/foundation which should be red meat for any real journalist. I ran Yahoo News during 08 election – we got all our stories from wire services – and was appalled at volume of Palin stories vs. Obama stories (digging into his background). At least 10-1. Probably the same now.
.I am of an age when the NYT was the unassailable Gray Lady whose accuracy was painstakingly earned and honored.Today, it is a fish monger’s wrapper and no more.[I actually know where my fish monger hangs out.]It is sad.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Could not agree more. Howell Raines put the final nails in the coffin in his “flood the zone” unabashed opposition to the Iraq war. The Grey Lady BARELY covered the IRS targeting of conservatives – just so shameful.
.It is also a bad business decision of gargantuan proportions. They have halved the size of their market while destroying their brand.Journalism is dead. Long live journalism.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Not that the typical NYT reader needs more convincing to vote democratic. The best recent example was this front page Sunday Edition story about Trump when he was, get this 17 years old and being groomed to be a racist apparently.http://www.nytimes.com/2016…Take a look at that spread. And no slip covers on the couch either took them off during the photo shoot….
Yeah, that one was way over the top. I love the NYT but their bias more and more is becoming Fox-like, in the other political direction.
ha!in my house growing up , you got the sunday times in the same pecking order you got to use the bathtub on sundays. i was way down the line.but–jump on me if you will–i both agree at the impartiality (to some degree) of the coverage and renewed my online subscription last week.why? it’s my local paper, has eric asimov’s column which i must have and to me the rules get bent somewhat when you have a common enemy to humanity, like trump, to defeat.now pile on hard! as i’m offline for the day and will take my lashings this evening over wine and read them 😉
.Advocacy is perfectly fine and there is nothing wrong with being partial to whatever floats your boat but just don’t pretend it is journalism.Journalism was once fact based, double sourced, fact checked, edited, and reported by adults. Journalism was about news. News did not register with a single political party.The NYT is now based, as you have clearly articulated, on opinion, on their sense of their right to alter news to confirm their own biases, on a desire to become an organ for a candidate (or against another), to champion a candidacy, to further a point of view, and to do damage to their adversaries.The NYT is a weapon.In that fashion, they cease being what made them great and become something common, trashy, and inconsequential.Character, rules, principles — by their very definition, are the things which survive the first contact with the alternatives intact, immutable, constant, unchanged.In your utterance, you indict what you profess. They are not rules if they are subjective.It is exactly that notion — that some people are above the gravitational pull of rules which defines the RICO — Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization — aspects of this campaign.When a “news” organization fails to report on such corruption, they validate all the criticisms levelled at them and the first casualty is truth while the second casualty is credibility.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
And is followed tremendously by other news organizations across the country as a more or less safe harbor of opinion and ‘journalism’.I frequently run into people who don’t think the NYT is that important or influential because they don’t realize how it influences media that they do pay attention to. (Ditto for WSJ).
and to me the rules get bent somewhat when you have a common enemy to humanity, like trump, to defeatIf the Times truly believes (as you do) that Trump is a common enemy to humanity (or similar) then they should just come out and say that they think he is a threat in a direct way that admits their bias upfront, instead of attempting to hide it as being fair and balanced and potentially ruining their brand.In other words if the threat is that real in their minds, they can do what the news shows do which is clearly label people “a Trump supporter” or “a Clinton supporter”. So they can just label themselves “against Trump at any and all costs, even our own legacy and business interests).I was curious what the Times thought of Hitler during the war but was only able to find out (quickly) what they thought in 1922:http://www.thewrap.com/new-…http://www.nytimes.com/time…I agree that sometimes you have to take a stand. If you really think a friend is making a mistake by marrying a particular person (as one example) say to them “I feel strongly enough about this that I will end my friendship with you if you decide to go forward with the marriage”. Then they will get the message and know that you mean business and willing to risk for what you believe in. (Idealistically of course). Ditto for smoking. Friend smokes and you think it’s bad for them? Tell them you won’t be friends with them unless they quit. Tough love.
The Old NYT edict: “All The News That’s Fit to Print.”The New: “All The News That’s Fit to Split.”You think these news outlets can’t go any more extreme (NYT, WSJ, WAPO, FOX, CNN, MSNBC) but, amazingly, they continue to set new bias boundaries.
There’s no reason why TWTR should be so reliant on wire services. They can easily create an adhoc network of thought-leaders, pundits, etc., across virtually any subject or topic just by tapping into their user base. Original content. There’s nothing differentiating about Moments in its current iteration, irrespective of whether the content is biased.
Moments should be based on my lists (32 at latest count) and ways for ME to choose relevancy. They can start with most popular and retweeted, or original content, etc… but over time moments should learn from ME! Give me control. Then I will find it useful. And that will increase their appeal to brands. PS, right now it seems my ability to add to lists is broken. Anyone else have that problem?
Not to hate on Twitter because there is a lot to like about Moments, but something about all the Twitter news tools (Moments, Nuzzel) never really worked for me. Aggregated Twitter user perspective’s on news sit in an odd space between hard news destination sites like the NY Times and light news like Buzzfeed, which is widely distributed across all my social media feeds (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Snapchat, etc). When I tap on real news in Moments, hard commentary is mixed in with Twitter celeb peanut gallery comments, which is an odd experience. Buzzfeed also has the peanut gallery, but it’s often from people I know in real life, which is more relevant to me than, say, Snooki’s post on Trump. It’s meant to be a social experience integrated with a social community, but it’s really sort of a bolted on destination site not well integrated with the timeline where the social nodes aren’t people I follow or care about. It’s stuck in the middle for me. I suspect they need to make it more personal, both in terms of the choice of articles and commentary from people with some connection to me, and better integrate the experience into the main timeline.
Joe Lazarus:Only confirms why Twitter isn’t in our daily rotation of important things to engage before heading to the office. Twitter sounds and looks like an old flame who lost a lot of weight, wasn’t any different from the flames that replaced her/him and really gives no reason to return no matter how much people are saying how hot she/he is with the new clothes. Still the same old flame.
I use the Twitter timeline most mornings and have for a decade, just not Moments.
‘…there is a lot to like about Moments…’Say it ain’t so, Joe (?)
Twitter is shit ,day in and day out
I forgot about nuzzel. I have tried to figure out how to use it effectively as a “newsletter” but it’s just a bunch of retweets I don’t want. Hard to “author it” as it seems to suggest it can be. Anyway doesn’t work at all for me yet.
Haven’t tried it.It’s algorithmic? Not an editorial team?
I am in the same bucket – and with the same question.?If algorithmic, I might be more interested in exploring further.
Moments would be valuable to me if I could choose the sections, have some control over content. Economics, Business, and Tech headlines are interesting to me. Sports, Entertainment, Politics, and Fun are not.
My moments front page reads like the click bait at the bottom of other click bait.
How much of that is actionable?
But these are the real stories, about real people, in your community.
Not yet for iPad, my primary news consumption device.
.My latest toy is a Samsung View. I am an unrepentant gadget freak. I am a second wave adopter just back from the bleeding edge but in front of the cutting edge.It is a great device for consuming life.So, I get your device driven comment. “All the news that fits onto my View.”JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
That’s a Yuuuge tablet. Bigger than the iPad Pro
.Wm, Texas, right?JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Sorry about that, blame disqus. I wish they had more image formatting options for publishing. I wish I had an iPad Pro but it was too niche to pass the ‘for development’ argument.
They have a great TV Ad for it!
Your prose, Sir, dwells between the cutting and bleeding edges. That is why I have to read you carefully and double check every time. The other day you left me hanging with a goose, an egg and some golden powder and feeling very confused. :)Samsung makes great products, I was playing with an edge and the quality of the photos is awesome. My Androids for testing are Motorola though.Vertical scroll is a blessing.
.I had a sergeant who used to say, “Check, double check, re-check … everything. Then, pray.”Don’t fret, I often confuse myself.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
I confuse me more than you confuse yourself.
.Haha, sounds very familiar but a little confusing?Well played.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
JLM:awaiting for the Nexus 6P reduction as we type. Currently using a Xiaomi Mi4 (which is shipped with a os based on Andriod called MIUI) on a suggestion from William Mougayar. The phone was dropped and screen cracked. The phone reminds us of an IPhone which we don’t enjoy. We had it jail broken and installed Android and it is buggy. We will replace in September. We are 2nd wave adopters also after all the hype and bugs are fixed.The majority of new group of Android phones are modeling Apple with the non removable battery and no SD slot and Apple is modeling their size.
“Not supported on mobile yet.”
Twitter is gonna pay its best users to create videos with a 70/30 ad revenue split, terms that are far better than YouTube. It’s a good idea as it capitalizes on users w/ a strong following and high engagement, while tapping into the growth of video and its higher ad CPM’s. (I think a similar monetization concept–proprietary videos w/ thought leaders–makes sense for Disqus, too.) Thought-leader videos on topical subjects/news is a strong way for TWTR to monetize content and create legit points-of-differentiation, vs. aggregating stories that are widely avail across a variety of media outlets. Moments content, as currently executed, is more parity than differentiating and proprietary.
I would love to but I believe it’s geoblocked, I don’t see it (Colombia), not in the app and not on the website.
I have to agree on this Fred. I initially did not like Moments at all, but it has become part of my daily “starting block” i.e. places I routinely check to get up to speed on news/info to begin the day.-B
Seriously?Come ON.’It is really good.’Like Yahoo.com in 1996 ‘good?’I never whine in these comments, but wow.I check it frequently (and pull for TWTR, big), but no, it is not ‘good.’
Never been able to get Moments on my phone in Hong Kong. It pops up when I am back in SFO or NYC, but it disappears as soon as I get back here.
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Looking fwd to rolling our own. Twitter ditching “social network” and moving into empowerment of users as their own media companies is so bullish.
How can you roll your own?I heard about the Ad revenue share video producers.
Coming
Coming from them? Can you elaborate?
“Empowerment of users” is another way to say “free to choose”. I find that when companies use principles an academic like Ronald Coase or Milton Friedman articulated they tend to do very well.
Uber drivers going on or off the clock with the completely voluntary push of a button.
That’s one of the best examples, and there are so many more.
I wonder how many people Uber takes out of the workforce [1] by allow them to just scrape by with extra money earned by driving. It’s kind of a ‘less than golden’ handcuff the way I see it.[1] Or dulls aspirations to do something more interesting, challenging or better in the long term.
interesting how Zuckerberg was at pains yesterday to stress FB was a tech co and definitely not a media one whereas TWTR seem to be quietly going in the exact opposite direction.
Not a true statement on his part.
Not quite because, strategically, they do anchor themselves in the tech rather than in the content.Zuckerberg is likely to publicly show his home AI-assistant next month:* https://techcrunch.com/2016…Twitter is a media company.
Sorry–how do they make money? Media company through and through and way better at it than anyone else in business today.They are anchored in their model and use tech brilliantly to drive it.
Sir Martin Sorrell, 2013: “I do regard Google as a media owner, yes. These are media owners masquerading as technology companies. Google sells Google, Facebook sells Facebook. Twitter sells Twitter.”However, if we compare the ongoing strategies of FB, Google and Twitter, it’s clear FB & Google have diversified and are focusing deeper into the tech.Look into all the hardware+software work they’re doing in AI with AR/VR.Compare that with Twitter’s decision to go into and then abandon eCommerce:* http://www.thedrum.com/news…So what’s left for Twitter when its AI and VR/AR tech is nowhere as strong as FB and Google’s?Pure media play.
I don’t disagree with his statements.Google and Facebook have always been media companies driven by tech and community innovation.Maybe he knows what I don’t but I don’t see that changing.i see more innovation, more extensions of the model, more invention of tech to drive it.They sell ads. Plain and simple. Nothing else about them is simple.
This was on Linkedin.
Both are media channels, yes. In my view the sticky concept associated with media company relates more with media creation and production. I am not sure if selling virtual ad space makes them media companies.
Lots of nuance here i agree.But we are how we make money and the players that change the world–truly–like FB or Twitter are reshaping behavior and culture and life as feeders to just that model.As much as I used to love Tumblr and applauded their innovation they will be forgotten because in the end they didn’t have a model. They provided capital and wealth and contributed to the evolution of UI and socialization but they are not on the same plane. In 5 years, no one but those who used them will know who they were.We shall see if that is the same for Twitter. I hope not!
I totally agree with that, you are what you sell. It is very healthy to have that clear personally and as a company. I do system and software development, but what I mainly sell are consultancy hours, and that makes me a consultant, which sounds less interesting.I was searching for a chart that shows code collaborations done by companies to the Linux kernel. It may be correlated with how ‘techie’ a company really is. I will continue searching for it and post it later.
.You are what you sell, how you sell it, and how you support it after the sale.Truth.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
so so the #truth in an economy that questions that.i tweeted an article on the economics of uber and lyft this am and their massive losses.some good facts in there and the question of whether ever they are a real model and if there is a justification for them regardless.
nicely said and thank you!
I agree with @SixgillBlog:disqus …if you make money from selling ad space against content, you’re a media company. Deep tech projects are an aside.
Right, I get that definition of a media company and agree with it.It’s just that Google & FB aren’t in the mould of traditional media company (e.g. Newscorp) or traditional technology company either (e.g. IBM).They’re modern hybrids.Mind you, it could be argued they’re simply complete media vertical integrations: content, publishing, platform distribution & advertising.In much the same way the newspaper barons owned the content, the print presses, the delivery vans and the editorial right of ad placement.@SixgillBlog:disqus
yup…what it means to be a media company has changed
http://i.imgur.com/GItKhBR.pngFacebook world overlord confirmed.
It’s the satellites thing, right?
Following the election on it.A few times daily dose of tabloid craziness.
Curious if it gets automatically customized based on my follow or tweet interests. I’m not seeing a Technology tab, and would like one.
Very true.Although honestly through my personal and professional communities I get almost all of it when it happens as do you I”m sure. It’s the more general news that I go there for.
Yup. Moments looks more like a YahooNews or GoogleNews at the moment 😉
Useful for some stuff.What it lacks to engage me fully are–more updates. Happens very infrequently and feels like a newspaper not a feed. Pulling list of blogs that I can dig deep into stuff. Most of the election stuff is from the parties pubs, HuffPro, NY Times, WSG.They can fix this and hope they do.It is getting me to check more often as Twitter is not a social net to me so things to get me engaged are smart on their part.
William Mougayar: If Twitter is the old flame you left what reason would you return? The new dress or suit? Not a compelling reason to use it. No? (Unless your long and/or Evangelist in Chief)
I use it daily, no issues there.
William Mougayar:The word on the street (Day traders) are of the view after ten years the only way for Twitter stock to rise if there is a rumor it is for sale and will be sold. The take from Twitter Board member Evan Williams giving a no comment on the question. Desperate measures for early stage investors who want to realize a profit now.Disclosure: None
Yup, I read that and tweeted they are better off having better management. But sometimes you can’t better yourself, then selling might be an option.
i think so, because the blue jays and raptors show up at the top of my sports page
& Bouchard losing 😉
It’s almost interesting. There are plenty of very good daily summaries that give you a “moments” style look at each area and some I get are far better than this. HOWEVER if I could customize this by kind of “cross pollinating” what they bring in with the people in my twitter network that I rank highest in terms of following then we might really get something unique and powerful. I don’t code anymore but this seems like it would be easy to do. Without something more I don’t think I’d visit the Twitter Moments page again.
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I’ve been using Apple News more and more for news lately. Since Moments is not in Tweetbot I do not use nor participate in Moments.
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Great pic!My fav is Blazing Saddles … time to watch it again
Fred – I’ve been using it – but dismayed (but not surprised) that I perceive it to be pretty biased. You recall my experience at RCP and especially Yahoo News where I’ve seen this game before. Somehow none of the HRC stuff (which gets retweeted wildly) such as the new revelations yesterday that she had 30 Benghazi emails among the stuff she tried to delete (that were under subpoena so that’s a felony) made it to moments. But Trump’s visit to Mexico does. One of the issues here is that all these “algorithmic” news sources actually hand curate sources at a minimum. So if it is all wire services which are crazy biased themselves – the end result is biased.
.I do not trust any media outlet to provide a comprehensive, unbiased, fair view of anything.Journalism — historically double sourced, fact based, fact checked, adult edited, reportage — is dead and has been for years. Not only is it dead, venerable places like the NYT have buried it in concrete and have lined up to piss on its grave.I read both sides of the street, hoping the truth is somewhere in the middle.In some ways, the apparent bias of Twitter (they are not alone) is a sign of its arrival as a media outlet. It has taken its place in the Pantheon of similarly biased entities.Twitter, if one suggests that the volume of traffic is branded as an intellectually noteworthy “trend”, has the potential to be one of the worst.I admit to not really caring about what Snooki thinks about Trump or whether HRC has early onset Alzheimer’s per Alex Jones.[Notice how I was an equal opportunity critic? Something I like about myself. Not really.]For me, Twitter has never really been a big thing, so it can’t be a big disappointment but your observation as to its bias is exactly right.Here’s the thing about a lot of social media — it cannot fail to be biased because it is the rare person, whose hand is on the whip, who has much life experience. This is like a middle school science fair. Not going to stumble on cold fusion.As long as your expectations are set low enough, you may be pleasantly surprised. Still, it is a thing but that thing is not journalism.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Trump meeting with Mexican President tremendously impressive. I am sure he got bigger secret service warning than Kennedy in Dallas did regarding unfriend natives and potential threats. He probably just forged ahead and said “make it happen don’t pussy out so your life is easier”.This is perhaps his biggest deal ever. If he can win place or draw with that meeting it has the potential to show what he can do deal making wise even with someone he has insulted and that truly hates him. God it doesn’t get any better than this in my mind.It will be very simple. He has set initial price and threat and now just has to make the other guy come out a winner and a hero and he will end up with something that is of value to him.This is like a developer going in and proposing to build something that nobody wants in their backyard and that he doesn’t even want to build in the first place and then settling for something much less (what he wanted originally) and allowing the politician who brokered the deal to come out looking like a hero for preserving the neighborhood.
.If DJT ends up with a picture of him and the Mexican President smiling or shaking hands, it is a huuuuuuge win.This is a crucible moment. It could make or break him.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
.Further to your point, here is a blatant example of not only the bias but the CENSORSHIP and fraudulent defacement of a fact based bit of news.http://www.washingtontimes….It is symptomatic of the heavy thumb of the media on the scales of fairness and accuracy.This is CNN — it is not a fledgling social media startup (Twitter is not such an organization) being led by people in skinny jeans. This where white haired Wolf Blitzer hangs his hat.This is what is really happening in America. The media has not just chosen sides, not just slanted the news, they have FABRICATED it.Garden. Variety. Fraud.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Of course. To me just look at volume of stories – look at front page of NY Times – on Trump vs. actually digging into HRC email/foundation which should be red meat for any real journalist. I ran Yahoo News during 08 election – we got all our stories from wire services – and was appalled at volume of Palin stories vs. Obama stories (digging into his background). At least 10-1. Probably the same now.
.I am of an age when the NYT was the unassailable Gray Lady whose accuracy was painstakingly earned and honored.Today, it is a fish monger’s wrapper and no more.[I actually know where my fish monger hangs out.]It is sad.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Could not agree more. Howell Raines put the final nails in the coffin in his “flood the zone” unabashed opposition to the Iraq war. The Grey Lady BARELY covered the IRS targeting of conservatives – just so shameful.
.It is also a bad business decision of gargantuan proportions. They have halved the size of their market while destroying their brand.Journalism is dead. Long live journalism.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Not that the typical NYT reader needs more convincing to vote democratic. The best recent example was this front page Sunday Edition story about Trump when he was, get this 17 years old and being groomed to be a racist apparently.http://www.nytimes.com/2016…Take a look at that spread. And no slip covers on the couch either took them off during the photo shoot….
Yeah, that one was way over the top. I love the NYT but their bias more and more is becoming Fox-like, in the other political direction.
ha!in my house growing up , you got the sunday times in the same pecking order you got to use the bathtub on sundays. i was way down the line.but–jump on me if you will–i both agree at the impartiality (to some degree) of the coverage and renewed my online subscription last week.why? it’s my local paper, has eric asimov’s column which i must have and to me the rules get bent somewhat when you have a common enemy to humanity, like trump, to defeat.now pile on hard! as i’m offline for the day and will take my lashings this evening over wine and read them 😉
.Advocacy is perfectly fine and there is nothing wrong with being partial to whatever floats your boat but just don’t pretend it is journalism.Journalism was once fact based, double sourced, fact checked, edited, and reported by adults. Journalism was about news. News did not register with a single political party.The NYT is now based, as you have clearly articulated, on opinion, on their sense of their right to alter news to confirm their own biases, on a desire to become an organ for a candidate (or against another), to champion a candidacy, to further a point of view, and to do damage to their adversaries.The NYT is a weapon.In that fashion, they cease being what made them great and become something common, trashy, and inconsequential.Character, rules, principles — by their very definition, are the things which survive the first contact with the alternatives intact, immutable, constant, unchanged.In your utterance, you indict what you profess. They are not rules if they are subjective.It is exactly that notion — that some people are above the gravitational pull of rules which defines the RICO — Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization — aspects of this campaign.When a “news” organization fails to report on such corruption, they validate all the criticisms levelled at them and the first casualty is truth while the second casualty is credibility.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
And is followed tremendously by other news organizations across the country as a more or less safe harbor of opinion and ‘journalism’.I frequently run into people who don’t think the NYT is that important or influential because they don’t realize how it influences media that they do pay attention to. (Ditto for WSJ).
and to me the rules get bent somewhat when you have a common enemy to humanity, like trump, to defeatIf the Times truly believes (as you do) that Trump is a common enemy to humanity (or similar) then they should just come out and say that they think he is a threat in a direct way that admits their bias upfront, instead of attempting to hide it as being fair and balanced and potentially ruining their brand.In other words if the threat is that real in their minds, they can do what the news shows do which is clearly label people “a Trump supporter” or “a Clinton supporter”. So they can just label themselves “against Trump at any and all costs, even our own legacy and business interests).I was curious what the Times thought of Hitler during the war but was only able to find out (quickly) what they thought in 1922:http://www.thewrap.com/new-…http://www.nytimes.com/time…I agree that sometimes you have to take a stand. If you really think a friend is making a mistake by marrying a particular person (as one example) say to them “I feel strongly enough about this that I will end my friendship with you if you decide to go forward with the marriage”. Then they will get the message and know that you mean business and willing to risk for what you believe in. (Idealistically of course). Ditto for smoking. Friend smokes and you think it’s bad for them? Tell them you won’t be friends with them unless they quit. Tough love.
The Old NYT edict: “All The News That’s Fit to Print.”The New: “All The News That’s Fit to Split.”You think these news outlets can’t go any more extreme (NYT, WSJ, WAPO, FOX, CNN, MSNBC) but, amazingly, they continue to set new bias boundaries.
There’s no reason why TWTR should be so reliant on wire services. They can easily create an adhoc network of thought-leaders, pundits, etc., across virtually any subject or topic just by tapping into their user base. Original content. There’s nothing differentiating about Moments in its current iteration, irrespective of whether the content is biased.
Moments should be based on my lists (32 at latest count) and ways for ME to choose relevancy. They can start with most popular and retweeted, or original content, etc… but over time moments should learn from ME! Give me control. Then I will find it useful. And that will increase their appeal to brands. PS, right now it seems my ability to add to lists is broken. Anyone else have that problem?
Not to hate on Twitter because there is a lot to like about Moments, but something about all the Twitter news tools (Moments, Nuzzel) never really worked for me. Aggregated Twitter user perspective’s on news sit in an odd space between hard news destination sites like the NY Times and light news like Buzzfeed, which is widely distributed across all my social media feeds (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Snapchat, etc). When I tap on real news in Moments, hard commentary is mixed in with Twitter celeb peanut gallery comments, which is an odd experience. Buzzfeed also has the peanut gallery, but it’s often from people I know in real life, which is more relevant to me than, say, Snooki’s post on Trump. It’s meant to be a social experience integrated with a social community, but it’s really sort of a bolted on destination site not well integrated with the timeline where the social nodes aren’t people I follow or care about. It’s stuck in the middle for me. I suspect they need to make it more personal, both in terms of the choice of articles and commentary from people with some connection to me, and better integrate the experience into the main timeline.
Joe Lazarus:Only confirms why Twitter isn’t in our daily rotation of important things to engage before heading to the office. Twitter sounds and looks like an old flame who lost a lot of weight, wasn’t any different from the flames that replaced her/him and really gives no reason to return no matter how much people are saying how hot she/he is with the new clothes. Still the same old flame.
I use the Twitter timeline most mornings and have for a decade, just not Moments.
‘…there is a lot to like about Moments…’Say it ain’t so, Joe (?)
Twitter is shit ,day in and day out
I forgot about nuzzel. I have tried to figure out how to use it effectively as a “newsletter” but it’s just a bunch of retweets I don’t want. Hard to “author it” as it seems to suggest it can be. Anyway doesn’t work at all for me yet.
Haven’t tried it.It’s algorithmic? Not an editorial team?
I am in the same bucket – and with the same question.?If algorithmic, I might be more interested in exploring further.
Moments would be valuable to me if I could choose the sections, have some control over content. Economics, Business, and Tech headlines are interesting to me. Sports, Entertainment, Politics, and Fun are not.
My moments front page reads like the click bait at the bottom of other click bait.
How much of that is actionable?
But these are the real stories, about real people, in your community.
Not yet for iPad, my primary news consumption device.
.My latest toy is a Samsung View. I am an unrepentant gadget freak. I am a second wave adopter just back from the bleeding edge but in front of the cutting edge.It is a great device for consuming life.So, I get your device driven comment. “All the news that fits onto my View.”JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
That’s a Yuuuge tablet. Bigger than the iPad Pro
.Wm, Texas, right?JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
Sorry about that, blame disqus. I wish they had more image formatting options for publishing. I wish I had an iPad Pro but it was too niche to pass the ‘for development’ argument.
They have a great TV Ad for it!
Your prose, Sir, dwells between the cutting and bleeding edges. That is why I have to read you carefully and double check every time. The other day you left me hanging with a goose, an egg and some golden powder and feeling very confused. :)Samsung makes great products, I was playing with an edge and the quality of the photos is awesome. My Androids for testing are Motorola though.Vertical scroll is a blessing.
.I had a sergeant who used to say, “Check, double check, re-check … everything. Then, pray.”Don’t fret, I often confuse myself.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
I confuse me more than you confuse yourself.
.Haha, sounds very familiar but a little confusing?Well played.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…
JLM:awaiting for the Nexus 6P reduction as we type. Currently using a Xiaomi Mi4 (which is shipped with a os based on Andriod called MIUI) on a suggestion from William Mougayar. The phone was dropped and screen cracked. The phone reminds us of an IPhone which we don’t enjoy. We had it jail broken and installed Android and it is buggy. We will replace in September. We are 2nd wave adopters also after all the hype and bugs are fixed.The majority of new group of Android phones are modeling Apple with the non removable battery and no SD slot and Apple is modeling their size.
“Not supported on mobile yet.”
Twitter is gonna pay its best users to create videos with a 70/30 ad revenue split, terms that are far better than YouTube. It’s a good idea as it capitalizes on users w/ a strong following and high engagement, while tapping into the growth of video and its higher ad CPM’s. (I think a similar monetization concept–proprietary videos w/ thought leaders–makes sense for Disqus, too.) Thought-leader videos on topical subjects/news is a strong way for TWTR to monetize content and create legit points-of-differentiation, vs. aggregating stories that are widely avail across a variety of media outlets. Moments content, as currently executed, is more parity than differentiating and proprietary.
I would love to but I believe it’s geoblocked, I don’t see it (Colombia), not in the app and not on the website.
I have to agree on this Fred. I initially did not like Moments at all, but it has become part of my daily “starting block” i.e. places I routinely check to get up to speed on news/info to begin the day.-B
Seriously?Come ON.’It is really good.’Like Yahoo.com in 1996 ‘good?’I never whine in these comments, but wow.I check it frequently (and pull for TWTR, big), but no, it is not ‘good.’
Never been able to get Moments on my phone in Hong Kong. It pops up when I am back in SFO or NYC, but it disappears as soon as I get back here.
This isn’t bad, thanks for the heads up!