Tapping Into The Global Job Market

Globalization is certainly a double edged sword for many people, but the truth is that over the past half century, the world has globalized enormously. We are now to the point that many employers around the world are looking outside their local or national talent pools for key hires.

Our portfolio company Jobbatical specializes in helping companies around the world hire from the global talent pool.

And it also helps people (maybe you are one of them) that want to think about working in a different country for a while.

Here are a few sample listings from Jobbatical’s explore page showing the diversity of job options that are available:

We think that the globalization of hiring is going to expand enormously over the next couple decades and we think Jobbatical has a fantastic opportunity in front of it. Hiring from the global talent pool has some unique challenges but that friction is what creates this opportunity.

If you are looking to hire someone from the global talent pool, list your job opportunity with Jobbatical.

And if you are looking to go work somewhere else for a while, explore the available jobs here.


Comments (Archived):

  1. awaldstein

    this is where the chicken and the egg become one.having the ability to do this will make it happen faster.like this a lot as an investment and as a change agent.

    1. kenberger

      yep, just like the more people airbnb or uber, and the more those brands become nouns, the more people airbnb and uber, etc…

      1. awaldstein

        network effects are considerably effective as we know for building markets when they work.this one has that dynamic potentially as part of the fuel for success.

  2. Varun

    This is one of those things that make me go Man I wish this was around when I was 22 and diving headfirst into, as Albert would say, the job loop – then briefly regret life choices and then hug a cat and all is good :)Love what Jobbatical provokes, especially in these protectionist times.Have disseminated to other 20-somethings.

    1. Karoli Hindriks

      Did you know that with all the longevity happening in the world 30s are the new 20s and 40s are the new 30s (etc)? The limitation is mostly in our heads 😉

      1. Varun

        100% agree with you Karoli. Didn’t intend to sound age-ist. Does jobbatical handle or screen job listings to accommodate health insurance / living costs or have resources to help with the transition?

        1. Karoli Hindriks

          We do screen the companies. Regarding the health insurance then in Europe companies who hire you pay the taxes that cover the employee health care (and health care is free to use in whatever occasion, which I understand is difficult to believe coming from the US). In Southeast Asia you have private and public health care. The public has quite a poor quality, but private has quite excellent and the prices are very low. Thailand and Malaysia are actually famous for their medical tourism just because of that > great quality, low prices. Having the firsthand experience from both of those countries I do agree with that.

    2. Nathan Lustig

      If you are from the US and have significant college debt, moving to a low cost country with high quality of life like Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay in Latam and some SE asian countries is a no brainer if you can freelance on US wages and are up for an adventure.

  3. William Mougayar

    It would be interesting to explore the inter-country flow data that Jobbatical has. Eg, – what countries are hiring the most?- which citizenships are moving out more than others?- what are the most popular types of jobs?- what countries have the easiest formalities?

    1. dianawudavid

      Agree, I have heard of a 10% drop in expatriates but a 50% drop in outbound job seekers from China. The board of American Chamber in Hong Kong is working hard to raise the importance of global competency/fluency for young people.

    2. kenberger

      yep, I’d expect that you see certain trends based on current political and economic events, you see some things play out more positively or negatively than you’d expect in certain places, and you also see things you’d never have expected.For example: with Friendster and Orkut in the early days (I worked closely with both), no one could have predicted that their #1 markets would wind up being Philippines and Brazil, respectively.

      1. Vasudev Ram

        I’ve heard that Orkut was also big in India, though I never used it much myself. Yes, that’s an interesting point about the take-up of such services by region.

        1. kenberger

          sure, both platforms at their heights were quite big in plenty of places. But long after their downfalls, these 2 stuck around in specifically these 2 respective countries for quite some time. They really almost completely owned these markets for a bit.Profitability and results of this are a different story.

    3. Vasudev Ram

      There have been multiple threads on HN in the past several months at least related to, if not directly on, many of these topics. Been reading some of them. hn.algolia.com is useful to search it by keywords or phrases.

  4. LaVonne Reimer

    I was intrigued the first time you mentioned them. Now even more. When my daughter called me the morning of November 9th sobbing so hard she couldn’t talk, the first thing that popped into my head (after the usual maternal murmurs of comfort) was be a citizen of the world. Think that way not identified too deeply with a single country. This startup may not be directly focused that way but it enables that kind of thinking for everyone.

    1. Karoli Hindriks

      Can you imagine that even I was sobbing on the morning of November 9th and I am not even an American? It was a sad sad day. That said, it also gave us a confirmation that what we are doing is important and with every jobbatical there is one individual and one team who will have a chance to expand their horizons, learn about a new culture, work together towards a common goal and there will be less chance of November 8th repeating in the future. Jobbaticlers don’t build walls, they build bridges 🙂 We honestly believe that if every person lives at least one year abroad then “Trumps” of the world will not be possible anymore.

      1. LaVonne Reimer

        So glad you replied Karoli! Congrats on the fabulous idea. I’m also working on something that has taken on new meaning given the election. It’s the best tonic, to sense that the very thing we love to do most — give birth to a new startup — is also the path to restoring and/or igniting a future we all want to live. Wishing you the absolute best in this coming year!!

  5. falicon

    Sorry – make the workers here in the U.S. or pay a HUGE boarder tax!(sorry, couldn’t resist).

  6. ErikSchwartz

    Where the heck was this when I was 25, unmarried, with no kids?

    1. Jess Bachman

      I think it was called the Navy back then.

      1. Nick Grossman


      2. karen_e

        Navy travels delighted my Dad who is now 83 — I mean, who goes to Greenland otherwise? He paved the way for my very early studies in French and German, eventual fluency in Spanish, a comp lit degree, marriage to a Palestinian, and raising our child betwixt Chinatown and Puerto Rico town. This child has more za’atar in his lunchbox than anyone outside the Levant, I’d wager. His friends are of every nation and color and he sang Jingle Bells in Mandarin at the public school holiday concert. We’re almost as global as Ivanka and crew!

    2. Nick Grossman

      exactly! at this point I am waiting until my kids go to college, then I will take a jobbatical.

      1. Lauren Proctor

        Awesome, we can hardly wait to send you somewhere. You’ll be aces wherever you go.

    3. Karoli Hindriks

      Depends how old your kids are @ErikSchwartz:disqus ? Most of the major cities have international & English speaking schools. The fact that traveling with kids is complicated is more like our own excuse not to do it (been there, done that as well). It is not even expensive anymore: flying from NYC to Europe or Southeast easier can be cheaper today than taking a cab from Manhattan to Brooklyn. My soon-to-be 4 year old had more flights in September than I had within the first 18 years of my life (and speaks 3 languages) and there is no better travel buddy than her. Kids adapt fast and moving around expands their understanding of humanity and the world (read: less chances of future “Trumps” the move kids live abroad). But observing the market while building Jobbatical I have also developed an idea of a simple school concept that would fit the lives of mobile families. If anybody is interested in EduTech then ping me, would love to share the idea so that somebody would take it on! A better suited cross-border schools would make building Jobbatical also easier therefore it would be a win-win.

      1. LE

        @karolihindriks:disqus – What is missing from the site (from my quick check) is information (easily found) that allows someone thinking of these opportunities to be drawn into working in some of the cities that are offered. People are going for the experience and not the jobs. So the experience (cities where jobs are at and what the city offers) really needs to be front and center to draw people in and increase the interest level in the jobs. (“Top Destinations” needs to go to more than highlighting job opportunities).

        1. Karoli Hindriks

          Thanks, yes, something that we are working on, but you have a valid point here @le_on_avc:disqus !

        2. Sten Tamkivi

          Meanwhile, feel free to use the in-depth city pages on Teleport (for example: https://teleport.org/cities… ) to do this part of the research. They are linked directly from Jobbatical ads, too.And if you’d really like to check which city would fit your needs best, before diving into Jobbaticals, just start on https://teleport.org 🙂

      2. ErikSchwartz

        I spent a year living in the UK when I was 6 and a year living in Paris when I was 15. My dad is a professor and we did the visiting faculty thing regularly.I will certainly take a look.

        1. Karoli Hindriks

          Well, then you have a great example from your childhood how the “jobbatical” life is possible even when married and with kids 🙂

      3. Vasudev Ram

        >would love to share the ideaI’m interested in ed(u)tech and have done some work in it. How can I contact you? Went to the Jobbatical site but no email id for you seen there. Prefer not to talk on Twitter. Can you let me know your corporate email id.Update:I’ve followed you on Twitter so you could DM me your email id or Skype id etc.

          1. Vasudev Ram

            Sent it.

      4. Agustin Hernandez

        @karolihindriks:disqus a cross-border school sounds like a fantastic idea, please tell me more!

      5. PhilipSugar

        I did not respond to this yesterday as I did not want to start a storm. Don’t get me wrong, I do not support Trump. But, I think people have a serious misunderstanding of what got him elected. If you think moving jobs around the world (this from a person that flies 200k a year) is going to cause less “Trumps” you are deluding yourself. i live where people voted 3 to 1 for Trump. Yes, the people that are going to do this never voted for or never will for Trump. But those that feel left behind, mocked, and degraded will with great vigor.

    4. Misha Tavkhelidze

      I’m way over 25, have kids, not a sailor, and just moved to work in Estonia. 🙂

      1. kenberger

        very nice place these days.

      2. Kashif

        Estonia seems to be “the place” these days. Love to learn more about the IT skills in demand there.

    5. iggyfanlo

      Actually I would assume that college grad awareness would be key for Jobbatical

  7. Aravind B

    Great idea. Wonder how practicable this is given the myriad work visa regulations in different countries.

    1. Nick Grossman

      jobbatical helps navigate this. in many cases, I believe the temporary of most of these roles makes that easier.

      1. LE

        jobbatical helps navigate this.Important point. So that info needs to be front and center on the site not just in the faqs and so on. (And I don’t see a faq for that matter).Quick change would be to simply put it here: https://jobbatical.com/intro but it really needs to be on the home page.

        1. Nick Grossman

          Yes I agree

        2. Lauren Proctor

          Thank you for your insights and we agree. This is on our roadmap.

    2. Karoli Hindriks

      There are many countries that have started to foresee that they have to change their immigration in order to attract best people. It takes 15 minutes to do the paperwork (and 1 week and $100 to get an approval) in Estonia to get a work permit and in Malaysia it takes for example 3 weeks in tech industry. Some countries are maybe slower (Germany: up to 2-3 months to get approved), but a very simple and transparent process – even Italy has a startup visa which helps to easily bring on board tech talent (and this is probably the most bureaucratic country in Europe). What we are seeing with Jobbatical is that countries (and cities) who have not had the privilege of attracting best people are taking more steps to simplify the bureaucracy. Which also means that the picture of where people live can become very different. Because – hey – if you could live anywhere then why should you move to a place that “drowns” you with bureaucracy and makes you feel that you are not welcome there? I think the UX of a country will become a major factor of where talent will move.

      1. Kirsten Lambertsen

        “…the UX of a country…” Great phrase 🙂 Stealing that.

      2. Ana Milicevic

        I want to print out and frame your comment. I’ve been saying that for over a decade now (and putting my money where my mouth was/is) and am so very glad to see more folks share this view.

      3. Vasudev Ram

        >It takes 15 minutes to do the paperwork (and 1 week and $100 to get an approval) in Estonia to get a work permitDo you need an Estonian job offer before getting a work permit? or can you go there for some time to try for a job, like in some other countries.

        1. Karoli Hindriks

          You need an Estonian company who wants to hire you.

    3. Nathan Lustig

      It depends on the country. Places like Chile and Colombia are extremely easy. In Chile, you need a job offer and you get a visa in about a week. In Colombia, it’s a bit longer, but very easy. It’s not a coincidence that these are two of the latam countries that most attract foreign workers.

  8. JaredMermey

    How do you take political risk into equation when making investments?

  9. James Colino

    Love this idea as a means to solve talent shortages in certain parts of the world. Not sure I love it from the perspective that the employee/contractor might view the gig as a way to see the world or vacation (based on comments in this thread and their marketing approach to jobseekers). Speaking purely from an engagement standpoint. I’m sure they’ll work this out and it will be a huge success.

  10. Chimpwithcans

    Are there any AVC readers out there who have taken a jobbatical?

    1. Lauren Proctor

      I’m the Head of Marketing at Jobbatical and I am on a jobbatical with the company. Prior to joining Jobbatical I was running a consultancy out of NYC and working part of the time as a digital nomad. Then Jobbatical reached out to me and I couldn’t be happier.Not only do I feel like I’m making meaningful career strides, but the scope and perspective that comes from working with an international team is extremely meaningful. Our current headcount is 25 and we have 10 different nationalities on our team. I’ve never been more inspired by my colleagues and their varying views of the world.I may be biased, but there’s something truly special here. An opportunity for us to supercharge our minds with that rush that comes from seeing new cities as well as a means for us to build understanding as we learn more about people who live halfway around the world. For me taking a Jobbatical isn’t just about becoming a better person or a better professional. It’s about both–and being able to sit on my deathbed and say, “Yes, I saw as much as I could. I attacked my life and my career and I let it all seep in. I have really lived.” I hope at Jobbatical we can give that experience to thousands of people around the world.

  11. feargallkenny

    Surprised that the potential market for this would be that large to justify a VC investment. I would have thought that those interested in moving overseas was a very small niche so how you get critical mass in function, industry and vertical orientation (the far more important hiring criteria) for both candidate and client alike is hard to picture. It looks like their functional spread is seriously wide at the moment.Maybe the reason it is so niche is that it is hard to relocate even within the US (Linkedin’s fixed current location adds to the issues) so perhaps this will be part of the catalyst.I hope it also ends up being a catalyst for the US getting its immigration act together because this service will only work one way for the US labor market and labor markets that are more open are going to be the long term winners in the global economy.

  12. iggyfanlo

    Very interesting concept… is the main thrust to get ex-pats hired (i.e. US workers in foreign post) or just the ability to hire remotely? Thanks

  13. gorbachev

    None of the positions I looked mention a salary range. This makes applying for these jobs a complete crap shoot. Absence of any information I’m going to assume they’re anywhere from 30% to 50% of salaries in comparable jobs in the US. At least that’s been my experience with other resources like this.

  14. jason wright

    Is anything new (that’s widely beneficial) coming from globalisation?

  15. Kirsten Lambertsen

    Oh those listings in Barcelona are very tempting.I think harder than bringing children is bringing beloved pets, no?

    1. Twain Twain

      This listing’s got my name on it … whilst making Africina bags as part of Make100 Kickstarter … My sewing machine’s super-portable as is my laptop!@wmoug:disqus – If Canada had beaches and weather like this … https://uploads.disquscdn.c

      1. Kirsten Lambertsen

        Ha! I didn’t see that one. I was literally scanning for places in Spain and Portugal 😛

    2. Karoli Hindriks

      Why do you think it is harder @MsPseudolus:disqus ? Our UX Designer just moved to Estonia with two cats and it seems that all are pretty happy!

      1. Kirsten Lambertsen

        Purely word of mouth, to be honest. I’ve just heard here and there that many countries put your pet in quarantine for anywhere from 3 to 6 months before releasing them. But I’ve literally done no research on the topic and so am speaking totally out of turn ;-)We just adopted a dog, so anywhere we may go (with our two kids!) we need to be able to bring him.Look at all the misperceptions people have! This is all great fodder for content marketing 🙂

  16. Hanna-Maria Ahonen

    Really pleased someone is working on this concept and thank you for sharing this. Having read comments below, and having a network of contacts who are flexible to move and potentially an ideal fit for these roles, I was very keen to share this! However, before sending a link, I did a quick check on ‘a user journey’ and unfortunately it was not at all what I expected; To make a profile you will need to re-enter your LinkedIn/CV info from scratch, downloading the CV is not currently an option. With this I assume the site creators initially built the site with LinkedIn as the main input platform (and why not as it is the comprehensive place for CV data), but as LinkedIn has now become rather unhelpful by not permitting such activity (by potential competitors), candidates now need to perform a manual process. My suggestion to the creator: “Accompany” comes to mind as an alternative partner for your site (and which would not be a direct competitor). They have built a database like LinkedIn and therefore could potentially replace LinkedIn CV info for you. – All the best with the great concept!

    1. Lauren Proctor

      Thanks @hannamariaahonen:disqus. Our product team sprint is working through these very issues as we type. We hope you’ll check back again soon, as we are always rolling out changes to improve the overall user experience.

  17. Brandon Burns

    I think we’re going to see this activity slow down, at least in the U.S. Not just because Trump says so, but because it’s culturally becoming less and less in vogue (which is a big part of why he won anyway).We’re seeing right wing movements firmly rooted in anti-globalism springing up in the U.S., France, Germany, and all over the rest of Europe. People are reacting negatively to a world where their livelihoods are not guaranteed due to foreign labor competition. Whether this is good or bad is not the point; it’s human nature for people to react this way, and naive to think that the anti-globalism clamor won’t continue to grow.Moreover, the “local” trend is still growing — and now we can see the true roots of that trend, and how it has a direct connection to the emotional aspect of supporting the local people making those goods. Kickstarter, Etsy, La Ruche (all USV companies) are not just about what they sell, but the branding and emotion attached to who’s actually making it.Globalism may continue to expand its reach, but in terms of hiring labor, I think we’re at the beginning of an abrupt correction to the market. At least in the U.S. and Western Europe.Just listen to the people.

    1. kenberger

      I always respect your arguments here, Brandon, including this one, but I’ll take the other side of that bet.One could have made a similar argument in favour of the Luddites. And we’re all glad they didn’t prevail in the end, albeit only after some turmoil.

      1. Brandon Burns

        Lol, yeah, hindsight is 20/20, and we have the benefit of a zillion post-election think pieces to help make sense of things.That said, I think those political/cultural trends will have business influences (as they are already) which is kinda my point here.Market-based signals are only part of the story. Especially with this story.

    2. Salt Shaker

      I think you’re right, isolationism is sadly alive and well. German elections will continue to validate that sentiment, and the PEOTUS is certainly doing nothing to dissuade that notion. Look no further than dropping airline pricing to EUR indicating that U.S. travel abroad is down, driven mostly by fear and safety concerns, even though the dollar is now almost par to the Euro. Sure, there will be many still desiring to work abroad, but, at best, I view this as a niche, yet still potentially profitable, biz for modern-day Eagle Scouts.

      1. Brandon Burns

        I’ve noticed the flight costs. I’m now regularly seeing flights from NYC to London for less than $600. That was unheard of 2 years ago. I recently bought an $1100 round trip ticket to Sydney, leaving in 2 weeks, their peak time — at a price that’s probably 40% cheaper than it should be.I have, on several occasions, talked about working with an off-shore tech team, only to have someone within ear shot inject themselves into the convo so they could lecture me about not hiring Americans — and this, coming from left-leaning New Yorkers!The signs are small, but they’re everywhere.

        1. Salt Shaker

          We just booked a r/t tix non-stop from SEA-PARIS for $675, plus a $100 credit from AMX travel. Crazy! Years ago the company I was working for offered me a 12-month job opp in Sydney. No strings. I turned it down. The guy who took it had the time of his life. Regrets, yeah I’ve had a few.

        2. Karoli Hindriks

          Check out Norwegian air – you can get to London (or other parts of Europe) with sometimes less than $300 roundtrip from Bay Area or NYC. And then when you go to Southeast Asia then you really see how you can fly with great quality, but (very) low cost airlines (Air Asia for example). You pay $20 for 2h flight. For example flying from Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) to Bali (Indonesia, which is a 3h flight) is as low as $30 if you choose the right day of the week. I did not quite get your comment about not hiring Americans, but we have rather seen the opposite – both for tech and business the American talent rather has an advantage (which I sometimes think is unfair to others since I believe that great talent can come from anywhere, but something definitely to pursue).

        3. creative group

          Brandon Burns:” lecture me about not hiring Americans — and this, coming from left-leaning New Yorkers!What is happening to the Free Market Economy? The principled are becoming unprincipled, unpredictable and business friendly to segments of companies they engage or understand in a Weekly Reader manner. (Reading on a fifth grade level)We haven’t seen your posts lately…..Work and globetrotting does take precedence. 🙂

    3. Rob Larson

      I’m taking the other side of that bet as well. I do agree that popular support for isolation is on the rise right now, but i think that it will be primarily focused on economic policy and trade, not personal travel or personal movement. “The other guys” should stick to the US and support job growth here. Meanwhile the individual is happy to broaden his/her personal experiences.But even if you are right, I don’t think jobbatical needs to lose any sleep over it. They don’t need a majority or even 20% of the population to support working abroad. All they need to do is empower the fraction of the population who dont give one crap about such trends and would love the opportunity to live and work abroad, if only there was an easy way to find an opportunity. (Enter jobbatical)

    4. Ana Milicevic

      If you’re a top-notch foreign national in an in-demand field, would you want to relocate to the US now and call it home for the next 5-10 years? I’m pretty clear on what my answer would be today vs. years ago.

    5. Lauren Proctor

      Interestingly enough, events like the recent U.S. election actually drive growth for Jobbatical. The U.S has been a major market for us since day one, but after Nov 9th sign ups and engagements accelerated significantly. The only two countries growing faster on Jobbatical right now are Russia (where LinkedIn was recently blocked) and Ukraine.Statistically speaking, when right winged sentiment swells people join Jobbatical. Events like Brexit and Trump’s election activate more people into action. For every wall that’s built there exists a group of people who refuse to live in an isolationist world. These are the Jobbaticalers, and there are more and more of them every single day.

    6. karen_e

      The question, “What is patriotism?” is certainly interesting and having a moment. Charlie Rose and Ian Bremmer discussed it a bit. https://charlierose.com/vid

  18. jason wright

    On tech jobs. The H1B visa abuse by big US web tech companies looks like it will be ending under Trump. A good thing, and a major opportunity for Europe to challenge SV.

    1. Twain Twain

      Except for the Brexit problem.

      1. jason wright

        But what will Brexit be?

  19. TeddyBeingTeddy

    I think there’s a huge opportunity to tap into the stay at home mom workforce. So much talent on those sidelines, and technology enables them to stay home

  20. Rob Larson

    Love this, have shared with friends.As someone suggested, it would help to see salary ranges. I can understand why companies are reluctant to post those – they might become more willing if jobbatical could help them show the whole picture of what that salary range buys the candidate in that area. For example, “here are pictures of the apartments and neighborhoods you can stay at for this price range, which is equivalent to these neighborhoods and prices in the US / europe.” And “this is what food and other expenses will come to here”. And “here is a view into the local scenery / cultural spots / nightlife / schools / whatever additional location benefits the candidate is looking for.”People want to be able to calculate/compare what lifestyle they’ll be able to support in the country, and whether they’ll be able to save any $ while there. It’s easy for a candidate to estimate salary ranges, cost of living, and local benefits in their home country – much harder in foreign countries.

    1. Ana Milicevic

      Rob, meet Teleport – they’re focused on building just that type of quality of life comparison: https://teleport.org/A seemingly low comp plan for New York works wonders in Lisbon or Barcelona, but also individually depends on one’s country of citizenship. It’s a complex, but oh so delicious equation to ponder.

      1. Rob Larson

        Ana, thanks for the share. I had seen an early version of their product, but it looks like they’ve improved it.”It’s a complex, but oh so delicious equation to ponder.” great way of phrasing it and so true. Any steps they can take to simplify the equation for people will help in a big way.

      2. Sten Tamkivi

        Thanks for the plug, @aexm:disqus ! :)@mlbar:disqus – happy to hear here at Teleport, if we solve you data needs and what could we improve further. Excited to work with Jobbatical to help people figure out all angles (income, cost & quality of life) around the offers abroad.

    2. Lauren Proctor

      Thanks for your insights @mlbar:disqus. We have this kind of city-based content on our roadmap. I hadn’t thought of the “these are the kinds of apartments you could live in for this price range” idea but that’s smart. We’ll have to add that to the mix.

      1. Rob Larson

        Thanks Lauren – my advice is to make such city-based comparisons concrete, visual and granular rather than descriptive and general. Consolidated, high level descriptions are easier to make but they engage the wrong part of your users’ brain – you want them to see a granular picture and feel the emotion, rather than read a general description and think analytically about what those words might mean for them.Best of luck to you and your team – I’m rooting for you! Maybe I’ll take a jobbatical myself someday.

        1. Lauren Proctor

          Absolutely, that makes complete sense. That’s very much appreciated.And thanks! We appreciate it and we’d be honored to have you on board as a member sometime in the future.

    3. Vasudev Ram

      Great ideas. Sort of ties in to my suggestion relating to service providers (in reply to Lauren Proctor), but you’ve gone into more details. Like I said there, they could get freelancers or small companies to get this info for them (and update it periodically) for each relevant country. Now that I think of it again (though I got the idea off the top of my head), I remember that Derek Sivers (of CD Baby fame) had done something like this – he hired individuals from different countries (in Asia) to research and provide material for a series of books about each of those countries – the books had info for startups (vs. employees in the case of Jobbatical) considering moving to those countries. Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, India, etc. were some of the countries covered in the series of books he planned, with a company he created for the purpose, called Wood Egg. I had emailed with him about it, that’s how I know.https://en.wikipedia.org/wihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wi

    4. Vasudev Ram

      NomadList is another good side for this sort of info.

    5. Karoli Hindriks

      The salary ranges do not actually say much since for example you can have a better lifestyle with $30,000 annual salary in Malaysia than you have with $130,000 in the Bay Area. Numbers do not say much, but we are working on making more clear what one or the other number means by helping to translate the offers.

      1. Sten Tamkivi

        Correct. To bring data to this, a SF Bay Area -> Kuala Lumpur move would drop the expected income by ~63%, but the costs by ~75%https://teleport.org/salari…@vasudevram:disqus

  21. Ana Milicevic

    I’m very excited to see Jobbatical grow and bring transparency to roles that would otherwise take a long time to find in each individual market. Building a slew of supporting services, from facilitating the physical move to a ‘checklist’ for getting settled in a new country (eg. how to enroll kids in pre/school, etc) would be massive value adds.

    1. Lauren Proctor

      Thanks @aexm:disqus. We are definitely interested in those kinds of partnerships and are looking to offer services to support both our jobseekers and employers.

      1. Vasudev Ram

        Suggestion: identify and ping service providers (including freelancers and small companies, not just big ones *) in the areas that Ana mentioned (and other relevant ones) in the countries and ask if they would be interested in partnering with you.* Your volume is probably small anyway as of now, so big companies may be less interested for now.(Can start with the top ones to which Jobbaticlers are moving, and expand to others over time.)

  22. creative group

    FRED:Not questioning the focus of the business model or the expertise of the decision makers. But that business name may be the encumbrance and bottleneck to substain as a going concern.

  23. Pete Griffiths

    Very cool.Particularly if you want to work in Latvia.

    1. Vasudev Ram

      Why particularly Latvia?Jobbatical is in Estonia, but what is the connection (I know Latvia is nearby).

      1. Pete Griffiths

        Just joking. There are a lot of jobs in the Baltic states. Very fun site.

    2. Karoli Hindriks


  24. Nathan Lustig

    I love that this is becoming more mainstream!For the past six years, I’ve been working with tech companies that have their back offices in Latin America (primarily Chile and Colombia), but who sell into the US market, first doing it myself, now as an investor.We’ve been really good at finding great local talent, as well as US/UK/Aus/NZ expats who are looking to work in a culture they understand better.A big change this year: US employees of our tech companies are willing to take significant pay cuts to spend 1-2 years working out of the Latin American offices. This isn’t something we offered, but was requested from US employees. It’s now a core part of our recruitment strategy.

  25. avip

    @karolihindriks:disqus seems the “I’m hiring” route is blocked by ublockOrigin. Worth checking out.

  26. Joe Cardillo

    Slight tangent, but this post got me thinking – is there any sort of jobs marketplace or platform that does a good job of incorporating two-way ratings?The vast majority of well spec’d and interesting, tech / dev, marketing, content, and communications jobs I see (and refer people to myself) are still within private groups (e.g. Facebook) or 1:1 or small group referrals via email or private messaging.

  27. Lauren Proctor

    And we would love to have you.