Funding Friday: The Church Of The Sub Genius

I backed this documentary project instantly when I saw it in my feed a week or so ago.

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Comments (Archived):

  1. awaldstein

    A big fan of supreme quirkiness.

  2. jason wright

    This is America’s original ‘Generation TV’ cohort?

    1. awaldstein

      What does this mean?

      1. jason wright

        They all seem to have been children of the 1950s, the first demographic to have been exposed on mass at such an impressionable age to the seductive power of television.Then came ‘X’. Now ‘Millennials’, apparently.

        1. awaldstein

          ahh…. but this is so so SO border and quirky. Not the reality of the mass market or generation of the time.

          1. jason wright

            I’m trying to wrap my head around it. not easy to do because i think i have a mind that is not susceptible to the influence of cults and their techniques. why i avoid BBC content.

          2. jason wright

            without mass there can be no quirk. everything requires a juxtaposition.

          3. Cookie Marenco

            how do you define “mass” ? And how do you define “quirk”? I would define “quirk” as something that is not “mass” 🙂

          4. jason wright

            mass is a bit like that saying in British political spin, ‘the silent majority’. they are defined more by what they are not than by what they may be or are.

  3. Cookie Marenco

    Wow, Fred, What a find! I was part of the Sub Genius culture back in my band days. Completely abnormal, non mass audience minded art group. We had pictures of Bob all over the studio. If anyone watched “PeeWee’s Playhouse” there was a picture of Bob on his wall as well.I attended what I think was the last performance of the Sub Genius group in the 80’s at a San Francisco club. My bandmate was one of Bob’s nurses. I don’t remember much more than laughing hysterically through the show.You are truly enlightened! 🙂 I never would have thought to see this on your blog. Thanks! 🙂

    1. Cookie Marenco

      OMG! I just watched the video! The girl on the left is VICKY! My old bandmate and studio manager!!! Holy WTF!!!???!!! I must call her IMMEDIATELY! Fred… THANK YOU! Vicky has been found!!!! 🙂

      1. LE

        The girl on the left is VICKY! WTF. The ‘left’? The ‘left’ of what? Are you talking about the girl in the grab below?… https://uploads.disquscdn.c

        1. Cookie Marenco

          What I’ve just found out is that they are doing livestreaming. I caught a live stream. No, that is not Vicki on the left. LOL… But I just heard her chatting a few minutes ago (12:15 SF time). Not sure if she’s on the left this time.. can’t see the video yet. I’ve asked her to come join us here at Fred Wilson’s Sub Genius party! 🙂

    2. SubstrateUndertow

      The original “Church of the Sub Genius” Recruitment Video”ARISE”…A “Sub-Genius” must have SLACKTranslation:To become a true Genius at understanding/decoding the sub-structure platform components that give rise all complex mechanical/social process theSub-Genius-(genius at understanding the substrate) must have “Slack” = Grub-Stake based freedom of action/thought.The Bob you can name is not the true BobTrump is a kind of Bob style Sub-Genius salesman !He understands the substrate mechanics of controlling others through mass emotional spectacle/propaganda. Trump is the ultimate political Bob salesman !Is Trump a good Bob or a bad Bob ?I vote bad Bob as he is definitely a self-aware “Pink” = “Social-Defector”

  4. Kirsten Lambertsen

    It’s both delightful and depressing to watch, one after the other, every little moment of our glorious youth being chronicled in a documentary film. I avoid nostalgia like the plague, but it’s becoming nearly impossible!Great share 🙂

    1. Lawrence Brass

      Call feeling nostalgia a retrospection excercise and it becomes easier to handle. 🙂

  5. Frank W. Miller

    Just an FYI. It looks like there is a little strangeness in the output on the RSS feed for this story. Looks like some stuff from yesterday was appended to it.

  6. LE

    Being part of a quirky movement is conformity. [1] Or types of dress, piercings, tatoos and so on. Are you really an outlaw and an individual if you are doing what everyone else is doing? Because that is what you are presenting yourself as and you are just a conformist to another group. I am not a fan of weird for the sake of being weird to show that you are somehow not like everyone else or unique. [2]Everyone can make fun of people in another group and feel better about themselves.[1] In the same way that music groups conform to certain norms. Even though they like to think somehow that they are non-conformists. Most band group photos look the same generally. The same edgy look that they have always had. Bunch of guys/girls standing there looking intense, serious and important or doing crazy things.[2] If you are riding a bike for exercise you don’t have to wear that spandex shit with logos as if you are in some race in Europe. But enjoy the party in your head if you do.

    1. JLM

      .Amigo, please disregard my advice, below, to move to Austin. It may not be a good fit for you; and, yes, you have to wear a “cycling jersey” and “bike shorts” if you go out to ride. Plus, a helmet, gloves, and special biking shoes which clip in with your pedals. Might be a city regulation.This is the home of Lance Armstrong before and after the fall.Tongue firmly planted in cheek.Whenever I pass anyone in the above noted gear, I say, “Hey, I think that’s Lance Armstrong.” It is a family joke which was funny for 6 minutes of its existence. Still, I passed a guy in the neighborhood yesterday who did look like Lance Armstrong.When everybody is weird, what is weird?JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…

      1. jason wright

        have you tried (William ‘Bill’) Coombe pedals? marvellous American design AND manufacturing. p.s. out of stock until January.

        1. jason wright

          Tom Boonen: ” Dirty faces win races”.to win a bicycle race you have to be willing to lose it. a bit like investing.

          1. LE

            One thing I have never done (and will never do) is enter a race of any kind. I find it unhealthy. Ironic? Not at all. In the sense that training for the race (and overdoing it) opens you up to injury. Which takes away from being able to stay fit by exercising every single day. And potentially having to medicate or heal. My system works and has worked for decades. This is not like business and it’s not something that I have any need to change. [1] No deviation no pushing envelopes. No diet needed. it’s all the system. (The results speak for themselves..) I’ve been told to write a book about it by a few doctors.[1] Not like business needing to change to adapt to a changing environment.

          2. JLM

            .Actually, in the horse racing business — clean silks get you into the winners circle.I have been quite a few times to the Arkle in the Cotswolds (Cheltenham), a steeplechase course with an uphill finish. It is a two mile race with thirteen jumps.It supposedly always rains and the winning horse is called a “mudder.” The winner is always ridden by the cleanest jockey, no mud on the jockey.Golden Miller — if you know who that is, you know who that isJLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…

          3. LE

            Enough of this nonsense. What do you think of the need of some to debase a former President (and Texan) for what it appears he might have done in old age and senility? I think it’s terrible. He’s rotting away in that wheelchair after a life of service to this country and all people can do is kill his image. As if they have suffered some kind of great indignity. Ask any medical person working in a hospital what happens with patients when they get to a certain age and start loosing marbles.Following the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, Bush postponed his university studies, enlisted in the U.S. Navy on his 18th birthday, and became the youngest aviator in the U.S. Navy at the time.

          4. JLM

            .Getting old is not for sissies.He did serve his country with extraordinary effort — President, Vice President, Ambassador to China, Ambassador to the UN, Party Chair, Congressman, business founder (what eventually became Zapata Offshore).He would have been re-elected as President, handily, except for Ross Perot — a guy who deserves a kick in the ass for delivering the country into the hands of a guy with an El Camino, a six pack, and a hardon — Billy Clinton.Bush was a Connecticut Yankee Carpetbagger who went to Midland, TX and drilled for oil. He had family money following him. He had his kids in Midland.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…

          5. Richard Carlow

            We can assume then that there is no drafting in horse racing. On the bike you seek shelter from the wind or you lose.

      2. Lawrence Brass

        Sure there is fancy equipment but a helmet, gloves, some shirt that can handle sweat gracefully, bike air pump, patches are basic biking equipment.I use a t shirt with a belly.

  7. JLM

    .If you really want to support this, y’all need to move to Austin.This is the latest “project” of Louis Black — publisher of the Austin Chronicle, co-founder of SXSW, co-founder of the Austin Film Society (which is a very big deal in the industry and nobody in Austin really gets it) and one of those committed to the commandant to “Keep Austin Weird” (the official motto of the city).He’s an interesting cat and way, way, way out there. He has done his part in keeping Austin weird.Most of y’all are way too young to have gotten how weird this was in the 1950s. Even Fred is 10 years too young. It all started in Dallas.Welcome to old, white Texas on acid.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…

  8. Joe Marchese

    Anytime I see something weird, I remember Paul McCartney: “I used to think anyone doing anything weird was weird. Now I know that it is the people that call others weird that are weird.”

    1. JLM

      .The only normal people in the world are the ones we don’t know very well.JLMwww.themusingsofthebigredca…

  9. Jim Winn

    Fred / Community – I saw this project #StandsWithImmgrants on Indigogo last night and thought you would be as blown away I was. A photographer is projecting portraits of immigrants on the sides of buildings, trees and public landmarks in and around Boston and it is jaw dropping. I’ve been reading the AVC blog for years, and this is my first comment – but I couldn’t think of a group that would appreciate this project more than the AVC community.It’s at:…<iframe src=”…” width=”640″ height=”360″ frameborder=”0″ webkitallowfullscreen=”” mozallowfullscreen=”” allowfullscreen=””></iframe>

  10. avip

    That Talking Heads soundtrack really ties the vid together.

  11. Vicki Amorose

    This is “Bob’s” Nurse Vicki. My brilliant friend Cookie Marenco alerted me to this thread. Thanks so much for mentioning our Kickstarter! I just returned from Austin where The Nurses were live streaming for the campaign. (FaceBook, Instagram and Kickstarter) Ridiculous fun. I was part of the performance art scene in San Francisco back in the 80s, when I met Cookie. “Art punk” is now the term for that era, when huge subcultural creative crossover happened – music, performance art, visual art, zines, comics, politics and comedy. This subject will make a fascinating doc.These are well respected filmmakers and we have the power of “Bob”! If you want a deeper dive, I gave my viewpoint here…And…If you need some pointers on conducting a crowd funded campaign – this team is killing it!